Comments on: Philanthropy, Politics and the "Religion" of Public Schools http://thecivicfabric.org/2009/03/11/philanthropy-politics-and-the-religion-of-public-schools/ Thoughts From the Stair Stepper Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:13:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: John http://thecivicfabric.org/2009/03/11/philanthropy-politics-and-the-religion-of-public-schools/#comment-116 John Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:28:30 +0000 http://www.thecivicfabric.org/?p=599#comment-116 I received this comment via E-mail and got permission to post it on the blog. -----Original Message----- From: David Marshak [mailto:dmarshak@seattleu.edu] Sent: Sat 3/14/2009 3:00 PM To: John Mullaney Subject: Re: David Brooks on Ed. Reform John, It’s not too surprising. Daniel Kim may have offered post-modern analysis, but there are no elected state leaders that I know of who present a consistently post-modern agenda on education issues. Look at Obama. He won the election because he convinced a significant number of folks with post-modern consciousness to vote for him. On energy he has a significant post-modern agenda. On education he’s stuck in the past like all the other elected officials. Are you familiar with Paul Ray’s research re traditional, modern, and post-modern values/consciousness? David I received this comment via E-mail and got permission to post it on the blog.

—–Original Message—–
From: David Marshak [mailto:dmarshak@seattleu.edu]
Sent: Sat 3/14/2009 3:00 PM
To: John Mullaney
Subject: Re: David Brooks on Ed. Reform

John,

It’s not too surprising. Daniel Kim may have offered post-modern analysis,
but there are no elected state leaders that I know of who present a
consistently post-modern agenda on education issues.

Look at Obama. He won the election because he convinced a significant number
of folks with post-modern consciousness to vote for him. On energy he has a
significant post-modern agenda. On education he’s stuck in the past like all
the other elected officials.

Are you familiar with Paul Ray’s research re traditional, modern, and
post-modern values/consciousness?

David

]]> By: John http://thecivicfabric.org/2009/03/11/philanthropy-politics-and-the-religion-of-public-schools/#comment-115 John Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:08:29 +0000 http://www.thecivicfabric.org/?p=599#comment-115 Jeff - Always the thoughtful and provocative question! Thanks for the words from experience. I would like to suggest Frederick Hess' book to you. He traced entrepreneurship but it describes how entrepreneurship needs to be embraced by the entire system. He makes analogies to successful companies which presupposes the leadership embraces creating environments that would not only give permission for fourth-grade principals to innovate and take risk, but would encourage everyone in the system to do so, and in the process support each other. The goal is creating the best product. This implies careful quality control, talent development and financial analysis. It is my dream that someone like the Governor and the leaders in the ODE would embrace that work ethic and vision for Ohio schools. I think they can get there, they just need input from the business sector to help get them there. Jeff – Always the thoughtful and provocative question! Thanks for the words from experience. I would like to suggest Frederick Hess’ book to you. He traced entrepreneurship but it describes how entrepreneurship needs to be embraced by the entire system. He makes analogies to successful companies which presupposes the leadership embraces creating environments that would not only give permission for fourth-grade principals to innovate and take risk, but would encourage everyone in the system to do so, and in the process support each other. The goal is creating the best product. This implies careful quality control, talent development and financial analysis. It is my dream that someone like the Governor and the leaders in the ODE would embrace that work ethic and vision for Ohio schools. I think they can get there, they just need input from the business sector to help get them there.

]]> By: Tom Vander Ark http://thecivicfabric.org/2009/03/11/philanthropy-politics-and-the-religion-of-public-schools/#comment-114 Tom Vander Ark Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:19:06 +0000 http://www.thecivicfabric.org/?p=599#comment-114 Thanks John Thanks John

]]> By: Jeff Jaroscak http://thecivicfabric.org/2009/03/11/philanthropy-politics-and-the-religion-of-public-schools/#comment-113 Jeff Jaroscak Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:30:14 +0000 http://www.thecivicfabric.org/?p=599#comment-113 John: I enjoyed reading the section of this post about educational entrepreneurship. I have been thinking about this lately. I am struggling with whether I like the notion of schools functioning in an entrepreneurial manner. If I have my definition straight (by the way, entrepreneurism is covered in Ohio's Fourth Grade Academic Content Standards), an entrepreneur is one who assumes the risk of business. Applied to a school setting, I (as principal of a school) would take risks in terms of programming, infrastructure, and personnel in order to realize an "upside," or profit. Here is where the analogy breaks down. What is the up side? John: I enjoyed reading the section of this post about educational entrepreneurship. I have been thinking about this lately. I am struggling with whether I like the notion of schools functioning in an entrepreneurial manner.

If I have my definition straight (by the way, entrepreneurism is covered in Ohio’s Fourth Grade Academic Content Standards), an entrepreneur is one who assumes the risk of business. Applied to a school setting, I (as principal of a school) would take risks in terms of programming, infrastructure, and personnel in order to realize an “upside,” or profit. Here is where the analogy breaks down. What is the up side?

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