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		<title>By: Philanthropy and the Games We Play &#124; The Civic Fabric</title>
		<link>http://thecivicfabric.org/2008/10/14/philanthropy-education-and-class-what-are-we-thinking/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Philanthropy and the Games We Play &#124; The Civic Fabric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] well-written and acted series validates the analysis of Dr. Kuserow which I published. in a previous post &#8220;Philanthropy and Class- What are We Thinking.&#8221;   The Wire provides a glimpse into the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] well-written and acted series validates the analysis of Dr. Kuserow which I published. in a previous post &#8220;Philanthropy and Class- What are We Thinking.&#8221;   The Wire provides a glimpse into the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jaroscak</title>
		<link>http://thecivicfabric.org/2008/10/14/philanthropy-education-and-class-what-are-we-thinking/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jaroscak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:

An interesting post.  I think it goes toward my point about there being no &quot;one best way&quot; to educate students.  The education you experienced, transplanted into an urban setting, would be a recipe for disaster.

I don&#039;t think that the context (parochial school) is as much of a distinguishing characteristic as I am tempted to think.  Many of our African-American students attend church weekly and sit through services that last several hours.  These are the same students that tune-out after 15 minutes in the classroom.

I think that the key is to reach consensus around exactly what &quot;well-educated&quot; looks like.  Standards are a start, but frequently do not address the &quot;soft skills&quot; we hope for our students.  Once we determine the desired outcome, we can focus relentlessly on achieving results.  Results, then, become arbiter of success.  In that way, learning Latin, diagraming sentences, writing papers AND ebonics, projects, technology, whole language, and collaborative learning can all be judged by the results they produce, not by popularity and relationship to past efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:</p>
<p>An interesting post.  I think it goes toward my point about there being no &#8220;one best way&#8221; to educate students.  The education you experienced, transplanted into an urban setting, would be a recipe for disaster.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that the context (parochial school) is as much of a distinguishing characteristic as I am tempted to think.  Many of our African-American students attend church weekly and sit through services that last several hours.  These are the same students that tune-out after 15 minutes in the classroom.</p>
<p>I think that the key is to reach consensus around exactly what &#8220;well-educated&#8221; looks like.  Standards are a start, but frequently do not address the &#8220;soft skills&#8221; we hope for our students.  Once we determine the desired outcome, we can focus relentlessly on achieving results.  Results, then, become arbiter of success.  In that way, learning Latin, diagraming sentences, writing papers AND ebonics, projects, technology, whole language, and collaborative learning can all be judged by the results they produce, not by popularity and relationship to past efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mullaney</title>
		<link>http://thecivicfabric.org/2008/10/14/philanthropy-education-and-class-what-are-we-thinking/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mullaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In re-reading this post I am thinking about my own education.  I grew up in suburban New York City in a town that included NYC executives, some of NYC&#039;s elite class as well as groups of returning war vet&#039;s who flocked to the town to buy homes that were affordable under the GI bill.  I went to a parish school that included Irish nuns.  My classmates where children of people from every class, but we were united by the &quot;One True, Holy, Catholic Church&quot; lol  Pretty strong stuff!!  We wore uniforms which was part of the reason why we really didn&#039;t know much or care much about social status.  The nuns had a job, which was to educate, and get into good high schools (preferably catholic! ;-)  We learned latin, diagramed sentences and were drilled in phonics and math.  We had to write papers and read them to  the class and be open to criticism.  All in all it was a pretty good education.  When I see where my classmates are, I suppose we were drilled less by parents and more by the nuns and the church which empasized obedience, and service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In re-reading this post I am thinking about my own education.  I grew up in suburban New York City in a town that included NYC executives, some of NYC&#8217;s elite class as well as groups of returning war vet&#8217;s who flocked to the town to buy homes that were affordable under the GI bill.  I went to a parish school that included Irish nuns.  My classmates where children of people from every class, but we were united by the &#8220;One True, Holy, Catholic Church&#8221; lol  Pretty strong stuff!!  We wore uniforms which was part of the reason why we really didn&#8217;t know much or care much about social status.  The nuns had a job, which was to educate, and get into good high schools (preferably catholic! <img src='http://thecivicfabric.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   We learned latin, diagramed sentences and were drilled in phonics and math.  We had to write papers and read them to  the class and be open to criticism.  All in all it was a pretty good education.  When I see where my classmates are, I suppose we were drilled less by parents and more by the nuns and the church which empasized obedience, and service.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://thecivicfabric.org/2008/10/14/philanthropy-education-and-class-what-are-we-thinking/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was so impressed by Scott Simon&#039;s Weekend Edition story on the Agricultural School on the South Side of Chicago.  Rather than comment myself, I think folks would do well to listen to the kids in their own words.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96039969


Why can&#039;t public schools be open to trying this in more districts.  I get frustrated with departments of education that develop &quot;Standards&quot; that unforutnately turn into lesson plans for teachers in the classroom who are scared stupid that any misstep or divergence will cause them to have kids fail the standardized exam.  School officials should really stop trying to control knowledge and allow teachers to be the professionals they are.  That will be another blog post, I think
thanks for your thoughts Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was so impressed by Scott Simon&#8217;s Weekend Edition story on the Agricultural School on the South Side of Chicago.  Rather than comment myself, I think folks would do well to listen to the kids in their own words.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96039969" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96039969</a></p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t public schools be open to trying this in more districts.  I get frustrated with departments of education that develop &#8220;Standards&#8221; that unforutnately turn into lesson plans for teachers in the classroom who are scared stupid that any misstep or divergence will cause them to have kids fail the standardized exam.  School officials should really stop trying to control knowledge and allow teachers to be the professionals they are.  That will be another blog post, I think<br />
thanks for your thoughts Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed - the KIPP schools are great indeed!

I had the opportunity to go to a talk this week given by Michael Pollen on &quot;The Food Issue&quot;, a talk based on his recent article in the New York Times Magazine (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/magazine/12policy-t.html?ref=magazine), and thought I&#039;d go ahead and share a reaction [Note: I guess it&#039;s worth saying I am biased as I agree with much of what he says on a fundamental level]

One premise of his talk was that, in order to reform things like Health Care, the next president will first and foremost need to deal with the food issue: how it&#039;s grown, processed, and transported, how the government does (or does not) support sustainable farming, as well as making us all conscious and educated eaters.  To this latter point he suggested &#039;food education&#039; - a school-based program that would not simply teach kids about the food pyramid but would truly educate students through full working gardens at schools, having them help serve and plan nutritional meals,  and hands-on helping with food preparation in the cafeteria kitchens!
Yes, I am naturally excited as local and sustainable food is a strong interest of mine, but, more importantly for this blog, what a great example of education through responsibility and empowerment!!
I think that when given the opportunity to actively participate in all aspects of their learning experience students will truly flourish - wouldn&#039;t it be great if his suggestions were implemented?  I think we would see great results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed &#8211; the KIPP schools are great indeed!</p>
<p>I had the opportunity to go to a talk this week given by Michael Pollen on &#8220;The Food Issue&#8221;, a talk based on his recent article in the New York Times Magazine (<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/magazine/12policy-t.html?ref=magazine" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/magazine/12policy-t.html?ref=magazine</a>), and thought I&#8217;d go ahead and share a reaction [Note: I guess it's worth saying I am biased as I agree with much of what he says on a fundamental level]</p>
<p>One premise of his talk was that, in order to reform things like Health Care, the next president will first and foremost need to deal with the food issue: how it&#8217;s grown, processed, and transported, how the government does (or does not) support sustainable farming, as well as making us all conscious and educated eaters.  To this latter point he suggested &#8216;food education&#8217; &#8211; a school-based program that would not simply teach kids about the food pyramid but would truly educate students through full working gardens at schools, having them help serve and plan nutritional meals,  and hands-on helping with food preparation in the cafeteria kitchens!<br />
Yes, I am naturally excited as local and sustainable food is a strong interest of mine, but, more importantly for this blog, what a great example of education through responsibility and empowerment!!<br />
I think that when given the opportunity to actively participate in all aspects of their learning experience students will truly flourish &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t it be great if his suggestions were implemented?  I think we would see great results.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mullaney</title>
		<link>http://thecivicfabric.org/2008/10/14/philanthropy-education-and-class-what-are-we-thinking/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mullaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that we really need to develop schools that address class.  On further thought, I am intrigued by the success of KIPP schools and faith-based schools such as Cristo Rey and the Nativity schools that take parents from neighborhoods that would be considered lower class by Kruslow&#039;s standards and yet, turn the children around academically.  I think their success lies in the way they treat parents and encourage (and in some cases require) they become a partner in the education of their children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that we really need to develop schools that address class.  On further thought, I am intrigued by the success of KIPP schools and faith-based schools such as Cristo Rey and the Nativity schools that take parents from neighborhoods that would be considered lower class by Kruslow&#8217;s standards and yet, turn the children around academically.  I think their success lies in the way they treat parents and encourage (and in some cases require) they become a partner in the education of their children.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,
Thanks for sharing the article - very interesting! As someone just beginning to make an entrance into education I found Kusserow&#039;s article, as well as your recent posts, very interesting.
I&#039;m glad you included Carter&#039;s words:

&quot;School is predicated on the values and practices of the middle class and so lower and working-class kids are automatically at a disadvantage.”

Not only is the point well made, but in reading the article (which I received from you before I read this post) it rang true for experiences that I have had.  Even in my limited experience I have more then once heard reference to the &#039;theirs vs. ours&#039; mentality in reference to specific courses, programs, extra-curriculars, etc.
Unfortunately, even with the ever increasing alternatives such as computer-based learning, which by its very nature challenges &#039;traditional education&#039;,  I fear that these differences in &#039;Individualism&#039; and social class are going to continue to plague public education....even programs such as IB, which brings to public education such a unique and empowering curriculum, continue this divide as those wishing to take full advantage of the program (by earning the IB diploma) must pay $65 per subject-test.

That is not to say that I think that we are all doomed (I, for one, remain very optimistic for the future of education), but that the issues presented by Kusserow should remain at the front of the minds of those looking to reform education; any true challenge to to this problem (or, for that matter, reform in education) is going to have to carry with it a challenge to these long-standing issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,<br />
Thanks for sharing the article &#8211; very interesting! As someone just beginning to make an entrance into education I found Kusserow&#8217;s article, as well as your recent posts, very interesting.<br />
I&#8217;m glad you included Carter&#8217;s words:</p>
<p>&#8220;School is predicated on the values and practices of the middle class and so lower and working-class kids are automatically at a disadvantage.”</p>
<p>Not only is the point well made, but in reading the article (which I received from you before I read this post) it rang true for experiences that I have had.  Even in my limited experience I have more then once heard reference to the &#8216;theirs vs. ours&#8217; mentality in reference to specific courses, programs, extra-curriculars, etc.<br />
Unfortunately, even with the ever increasing alternatives such as computer-based learning, which by its very nature challenges &#8216;traditional education&#8217;,  I fear that these differences in &#8216;Individualism&#8217; and social class are going to continue to plague public education&#8230;.even programs such as IB, which brings to public education such a unique and empowering curriculum, continue this divide as those wishing to take full advantage of the program (by earning the IB diploma) must pay $65 per subject-test.</p>
<p>That is not to say that I think that we are all doomed (I, for one, remain very optimistic for the future of education), but that the issues presented by Kusserow should remain at the front of the minds of those looking to reform education; any true challenge to to this problem (or, for that matter, reform in education) is going to have to carry with it a challenge to these long-standing issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Education and Class</title>
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		<dc:creator>Education and Class</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like &#8230;. working class people are like&#8230;&#8221;), I&#8217;m instead nodding at parts of  this post on the Civic Fabric blog that speaks to how middle-class and working-class parents may work from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; Philanthropy, Education and Class (what are we thinking?) &#187; Chronicle of Philanthropy</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Philanthropy, Education and Class (what are we thinking?) &#187; Chronicle of Philanthropy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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